[2022-03-16]Reddit评论区：沙特考虑接受人民币而非美元来与中国交易石油

概要：

《华尔街日报》3月15日援引知情人士的话称，沙特阿拉伯正考虑使用人民币而不是美元来向中国出售部分石油。报道认为，此举将削弱美元在全球石油市场的主导地位，并标志着这个全球最大原油出口国再一次偏向亚洲。
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AJCurb
Prepare for a sudden liberal awakening about the "brutal oppressive Saudi dictatorship"

对于“残酷压迫的沙特独裁统治”，准备迎接突然的自由觉醒吧。

reditreditreditredit -> AJCurb
instantaneous switch from "monarchy" to "regime"

从“君主制”到“政体”的瞬间转变

otusowl -> AJCurb
Sounds like a certain nation needs some long-awaited FREEDOMTM, for sure.
US hypocrisy aside, whenever the House of Saud falls will be a good day.

听起来某个国家确实需要一些期待已久的自由。
抛开美国的虚伪不谈，无论何时沙特王室倒台都会是个好日子。

ec1710
I'm sure countries around the world are paying attention to what's happened to Russia. It was taken off of SWIFT like it was nothing. VISA and Mastercard suspended operations. Major internet companies shut down their services in Russia.
It's a good idea to have a backup plan and not rely so much on US-controlled global systems.

我相信全世界的国家都在关注俄罗斯发生的事情。它被从SWIFT踢出去了。VISA及万事达卡暂停营运。主要的互联网公司关闭了他们在俄罗斯的服务。
有一个备用计划是个好主意，不要过分依赖美国控制的全球系统。

the_putler -> ec1710
there is a "Chinese swift" that Russia will use

俄罗斯将使用一种“中国式的SWIFT”

Spiritual-War753 -> ec1710
Yep and all done when neither country in the conflict was the US or a NATO member.
Any country looking for a degree of independence from the US is going to seek alternatives. Leading to not a new Cold War of sorts but a truly multi polarity world.

是的，而且都是在冲突双方都不是美国或北约成员国的情况下完成的。
任何寻求一定程度独立于美国的国家都会寻求替代品。这会产生一个真正多极化的世界，而不是一场新的冷战。

domin8_her -> ec1710
And China will happily step up and fill in for them.
The US is 100% going to be caught with it's pants down as China continues to grow in influence.

中国会很乐意接替他们的位置。
随着中国影响力的持续增长，美国100%会被逮个正着。

Cheap_Theme_8478 -> domin8_her
SWIFT was extremely dated too, it was built to accomodate 1970s telecommunication as infrastructure. It's not too hard to come up with something better if need be, which there wasn't, until now.

SWIFT也非常过时了，它是为了适应20世纪70年代的电信基础设施而建造的。如果需要的话，想出一些更好的东西并不是很难，但直到现在还没有。

Buzzdar -> domin8_her
Yes i forget where i was reading but this is the perfect scenario for China to setup its own globalized financial network to challenge the west. Doesn’t take to a genius to see it becoming the dominant system either if other countries don’t bring back manufacturing and have some sort of self reliance.

是的，我忘了我在哪里读过，但这是中国建立自己的全球化金融网络来挑战西方的完美场景。如果其他国家不能恢复制造业并实现某种程度的自力更生，那么中国的金融体系成为占主导地位的体系也不难预见。

qwertyashes
It'd be funny, but this almost certainly won't go through. The Saudis rely heavily on the US to back them up in the region, especially with regards to Iran. It'd be suicide to drop the USD.

这很有趣，但几乎可以肯定不会通过。沙特在该地区严重依赖美国的支持，尤其是在伊朗问题上。放弃美元无异于自杀。

HavanaSyndrome -> qwertyashes
What's the US gonna do, kick Israel's biggest regional ally out of bed?

美国会怎么做，把以色列最大的地区盟友踢下床吗？

eip2yoxu -> HavanaSyndrome
Yea after 9/11 it should be aparrent that the USA won't do much to KSA. They need oil and ally/control in the region

是的，在9/11之后，美国应该不会对沙特做什么了。他们需要石油和该地区的盟友/控制权

LotsOfMaps -> HavanaSyndrome
Turkey is already an ally, and returning to its Great Power status. The US doesn’t need Saudi as much as it did 20 years ago.

土耳其已经是一个盟友了，并正在恢复其大国地位。美国不再像20年前那样需要沙特了。

irfoland -> LotsOfMaps
Turkey returning to Great Power status? Where are you getting this from?

土耳其正在恢复大国地位？你从哪里看到这些的？

Hot_Preference_5000 -> irfoland
his indian friend

他的印度朋友

LotsOfMaps -> irfoland
Have you paid any attention to what’s been going on in Syria and Armenia over the past decade?

你有没有注意到过去十年里在叙利亚和亚美尼亚发生的事情？

arrogantgreedysloth -> LotsOfMaps
Mate as a fellow turk I can tell you that turkey is nowhere near any Status of great Power. They might be a Military Local powerhouse but their problems when it comes to being an economical powerhouse can be clearly seen with their actual high inflation rates + currency devaluation.

作为一个土耳其同胞，我可以告诉你，土耳其根本算不上什么大国。他们可能是当地的军事强国，但谈到成为经济强国时，他们的问题可以从他们实际的高通货膨胀率和货币贬值中清楚地看出来。

lmunchoice
I heard there were efforts to move away from the USD and they were all unsuccessful.
Liquidity or somesuch.

我听说有人试图摆脱美元，但都没有成功。

Skillet918
Anyone else smell regime change in the air?

还有谁闻到了空气中有政权更迭的味道？

TuvixWasMurderedR1P -> Skillet918
That’s one war I might actually agree with

这是一场我可能会赞同的战争

SexyTaft -> TuvixWasMurderedR1P
they would be replaced with someone even worse if you can imagine it (not that they don't deserve it)

如果你能想象的话，他们会被更糟糕的人取代(并不是说他们不配这样)

BidenVotedForIraqWar
I thought it would be another decade or two of waning US/Western hegemony before the Petrodollar went down in flames, tbh.
If people thought inflation, downward mobility, and wealth inequality are bad now, it's going to get so, so, so much worse when the money masters can't just print more while telling the rest of the world to go fuck themselves and use it anyways

老实说，我原以为在石油美元遭受重创之前，美国/西方的霸权地位还要再过一二十年才会衰落。
如果人们现在认为通货膨胀、向下流动性和财富不平等很糟糕，那么情况就会变得非常非常非常糟糕，因为货币支配者们不能一边印刷更多的钞票(几乎只用于支撑资本证券和债务，而不是实际上流向工人阶级中的任何人)，一边告诉世界其他国家去他妈的，不管怎么样都给我用它。

DAVIDJACOB87
Americans policy makers look like kids with no long term strategic vision.

美国的政策制定者看起来就像是没有长期战略眼光的孩子。

hidden_pocketknife -> DAVIDJACOB87
Our foreign policy is essentially just spazing out and utilizing whatever means necessary to ensure any rival can’t become competitive. We’re not forming coalitions or building anything past the short term period of business quarters and election cycles, and It’s going to monumentally bite us in the ass when China’s long game really starts catching up on the world stage and starts squaring with our decades neglected domestic issues.

我们的外交政策本质上就是制定和利用一切必要的手段，来确保任何对手无法成为竞争者。在商业季度和选举周期的短期内，我们不会形成任何联盟或建立任何东西，当中国的长期游戏真正开始在世界舞台迎头赶上，并开始处理我们几十年来被忽视的国内问题的时候，这将会给我们带来非常严重的伤害。