These kits may not be as high tech as one might think. In China need 3 to 5 testing before the result is considered conclusive, and that may have to do with the low quality of testing kits, since all their approvals are expedited.
That said, I don't blame them for rushing the test kits, since don't have time to perfect them. The US, however, do have the time but they have squandered it.
Having to do 3 to 5 tests is probably just the nature of the disease rather than the test. If the patient has the virus but it's not shedding into the mucus membranes at a high enough of a concentration in the early stages then it will still be negative on the test. Real time RT-PCR is what they're doing here and having it on a "chip" is better than how it's been developed here in the USA, where there is more manual pipetting and more room for error. In essence the test is the same, but the Chinese one is more automated. This also has to do with a centralized entity being able to control the situation whereas in the USA, the healthcare system and hospitals are not in coordination. Yes for sure the US dropped the ball here and now we'll get to see how bad over the next few weeks.
必须做3到5次检测，可能只是疾病性质的原因，而不是检测盒的原因。如果患者感染了病毒，但在早期没有以足够高的浓度进入粘膜，那么检测结果仍然是阴性。他们在做的是实时逆转录-聚合酶链反应（RT-PCR），然后把它放在“芯片”上，这比美国开发的方法更好，美国有更多的人工移液和更多的出错空间，本质上，测试是相同的，但是中国的测试更加自动化。 这也与能够控制局势的中央实体有关，而在美国，医疗保健系统和医院并不协调。 是的，毫无疑问，美国在这点犯了错误，现在我们要看看接下来的几个星期，美国会有多糟糕。
Not quality, sampling. Sampling can be difficult so there are false negative. Thats what i heard.
Test approved Feb. 22nd, production is now at 24,000 tests/day.
Great work by everyone in China who developed and sped this into production!
Well, China was able to shut down cities of 11 million with nobody allowed in or out without causing mass hysteria or social breakdown. If the US did that to NYC and blocked all roads in and out, how long do you think social order would last?
You realize China fucked this up from the get-go back in November, right?
And it’s been two full months since the outbreak has been known, what has the US done in that time?
Like the rest of the world: in some weird state of acknowledging denial. Even many epidemiologists were saying not to worry.
You know that saying, if you're not a part of the solution, then you're a part of the problem?
So what exactly are you doing to save us?
China didn’t fuck up once they knew what needed to be done. The US government is making an enormous mess due to its reluctance to upset the bankers.
Wait until the US reveals its $50,000 treatments and $20,000 vaccines...
You think all those scientists would be working 24/7 for minimum wage?
There are costs. If you have better ideas to make them cheaper, quit Reddit, go wear a biohazard suit, spend days and night risking your life, and provide the service for a lower price.
You'll be remembered as a hero. Perhaps a dead one.
Yeah 3000 dollar tests are totally OK. That's why the rest of the world does it. Oh wait.
America is clearly a third world country in terms of how CDC messed up the tests.
Good job America
Insurance companies make billions in profits...
With trillions in costs. So please stop this nonsense about greedy profits.
What if I told you the incentive to make more money at the expense of anyone not affording healthcare was inherently greedy?
Yup, CDC is a fucking joke.
A lot of that going around these days.
CDC: "Say what? Ze Germans have a PCR test kit ready to be deployed on masse? FDA approved too? Nah we can't have that, it's gotta be designed and made in merica."
Exactly, layman see this and go "wow, China is living in some sci-fi future" but no, this is common tech.
The CDC really is this bad though. Like legit fucking retarded.
I would like them to unretard themselves, and quickly. Every day matters for a biothreat like this... My grand-grandfather went through the "Spanish" Flu... I prefer not to go through this one with similar results. Ahhhhh-
我希望他们能尽快地恢复。对于这样的生物威胁来说，每一天都很重要... 我的曾祖父经历过“西班牙”流感... 我不想经历类似的结果。啊...
"Made in murica" usually means made and assembled elsewhere but packaged in the USA, or it means packaged and assembled in the USA but with imported parts.
China is not messing around the US is going to show serious damn flaws
They have all the fabrication facilities in the world to produce these things
That’s why they can do it so quickly
The US only has money to buy them
China greenlighted plenty of genetic research that would have been killed in the US by ethical concerns.
When doctors in Wuhan first noticed the unknown Pneumonia, those front line doctors can directly send samples to various small gene sequencing firms, who can sequence the whole sample in days. Of course, those firms have to report findings to local health officials, the local government response are prompted by those local firms. And the national response was prompted by a firm in Shanghai. For some reason, one doctor decided to mail the sample on ice all the way there.
Huh, I didn't know that connection. Is China good at genetic research compared to USA or Europe? I thought the first to sequence was Shanghai and Australia... but never cared to look deeper.
Good or not is hard to say. But capacity and speed is certainly there.
The American Dream!
in China all the medical treatments (including ICUs) of the virus are free. Not praising China or anything, but for references.
This totally invalidates the sadly-not-uncommon criticism that universal coverage won’t work here because of “cultural differences.” If countries whose cultures are as different as Finland and China can manage this, we have zero excuse.
Look, China and Finland have one thing in common. They don't have black people. That's why it can work over there, and not in the US.
Honestly, that is what people mean with "cultural differences".
The cultural differences are the US is greedy as fuck and the other countries curb that to some extent.
An argument my family always uses against universal healthcare is that it doesn't work at scale because "European countries are all so tiny they can do it themselves".
If a country of 1.5 billion people is able to afford universal coverage then it stands to reason a country of 350 million who don't eat bats some dude found in a cave can do it too.
The size argument never made sense to me.
It’s perfectly ok to praise China for something they do better than us.
No one's saying their healthcare is better. They're saying that they're better at doing with what they have. Given the per capita GDP of a middle income country and with a full-fledged epidemic on their hands, they still do stuff like this. Now look at the US where people are charged thousands of dollars each when there's plenty of resources to go around and no shortage of doctors.
The fallacy that "praising a specific aspect of a country means you're praising everything about a country" is rampant on Reddit and in the US
Go to any thread about China. Any thread.
"China has really nice high speed rail"
"BUT WHAT ABOUT FREEDOM"
“ 但是自由呢? ”
Whoa whoa. How can you speak positively about an authoritarian regime? You must be a communist /s
You can definitely praise China for giving free healthcare to their citizens. Even though you can criticise them of things it does not mean you can’t praise them for other things.
It's the US, people don't go to the doctor unless they are dying. Don't expect 75% of people who catch the coronavirus to even visit a doctor to confirm that's what they have. On top of that if a vaccine is created it's going to be sold at top dollar, no way we are getting universal health care in time to stem this tide. Though maybe seeing the fallout of it all will convince people to vote.
Seriously. I've had a lingering cough for almost 2 months now. I had a similar issue 2 years ago. The doctor said it's just a viral infection and to wait it out. It cost me $250 for her to say what is essentially, "Walk it off" and offer me some prescr1iption cough medicine that I could in no way afford.
Since this is similar, I'm hoping it's just a standard virus and I have to wait it out. But like it's been almost 2 months so it's concerning. But I'm also not dying or overly fatigue or "feel sick" so I'm refusing to go to the doctor because I don't have another $250 to throw away.
I'm not worried that it's Coronavirus because it's been lingering for so long with no other side effects.
Same, been coughing for about four months now and putting off going to the doctor for this exact reason.
What's worse: the WHO said today that the coronavirus test costs $5.
OMG that’s insane
$3.50 for the test, $10 for the wages of staff,$2,959.75 for the CEO who did nothing
Congratulations you dont have to worry about dying! Now pay us $3000!
I’m in Denmark and you can only get checked if you have symptoms. However, infectious disease doctors will come to you so you don’t leave the house which is nice I guess.
I think they should test all people who come back from infected areas though so that’s not good. Someone came back from an open nfected part of Italy last week and is working like nothing is happening.
I would honestly rather die from coronavirus than pay the 300k it would likely cost to have it treated
Considering the state of my mental health right now, being 300k in debt would probably kill me anyway.
Take me away, corona.
You could go bankrupt. Life is more than a credit score
Ultimately this will be the reason the virus spreads all over America. So many are noninsured or terribly insured they aren't gonna go to the hospital for what they perceive as a simple cough.
No insurance here. If I think I get it, I'll stay home for the few sick days I've earned, I think it's about 3 days. Then I'll have to go back to work because if I don't I'll end up homeless. Work pays rent.
Yeah we're fucked
I am afraid that when this virus really gets going here in the US that people without insurance simply won't go to the doctors until it is to late. They don't have the money for insurance, they don't have money for the hospital bills, so they will infect family and friends until it is just too late. Sad for the richest county in the world that people will resort to this.
Yup- once it's loose in the wild in the US, it's all over.
Most people I know don't go to the doctor for respiratory stuff- they have to be really sick to go in.
Most people I know can't miss work unless they are very sick. I missed 6 days last year and got written up. I only called out the days I had a fever- otherwise I showed up and spread whatever cold/flu I had. There's no choice- otherwise you get fired.
There will be no chance of controlling the spread here- we have shitty employment policies and shitty health policies.
Only $3,000? He must have health insurance.
As a French guy, I am always shocked to see how fucked up your health care system is !
WHO says the test costs only $5. Many Americans felt China was ill equipt but this is going to show a lot of holes in the US medical system sadly.
The timing to get to that level of output is pretty incredible. I am also in awe.
I don’t think it’s a fair comparison because we don’t have the level of outbreak seen in Hubei. But yes, it’s impressive nonetheless.
But.. socialism bad!
China is not socialism. China is state capitalism.
I'd like to learn about this. Any proof or evident?
Most countries aside from South Korea, and Japan have completely failed at responding.
I smell propaganda
just curious, what type of propaganda would this be? what are they trying to achieve with this propaganda?
China can get shit done , trump should just buy some and we can start the fuking test
china good, rest of world bad!
all this negativity about China, I use to think it was bad as well, till I read about their political system.
I bet you didn't know that China has government subsidized health care for 1.4 billion people. They also realized that hospitals were over prescr1ibing meds as a way to profit and the government forced all meds to be sold at cost to citizens. I don't think China is as bad as people think it is, although they did fuck up by starting this.
is it a good idea to trust CCTV?
Exactly. Also, the “$3k test” people keep referring to is BS, yet it keeps getting parroted over and over. I’m not saying the US is handling it well so far, but it would be nice if people were at least intellectually honest. Sigh.
we need to start testing people for free now, CDC has fucked up enough
Just you guys know...CCTV is the state run propaganda TV channel...
cough fox news cough
If you notice it is an American device they are using, i'm sure it's manufactured there as well because 90% of medical devices are
No need, just don't test. Rest of the world will be fine.
Imagine if they let the doctor warn everyone about a new disease everyone would have fled the city... and imagine how much harder it would have been to contain the virus. It also took planning to shut down the city and province at such a massive scale, they wouldn't be able to do that overnight.
想象一下如果他们让医生警告每个人这种新的疾病，每个人都会逃离这个城市的... 想象一下控制病毒会有多么困难。 他们还计划在如此大规模的范围内关闭这个城市和省份，他们不可能一夜之间做到的。
I hope US CDC turn it around fast and test like crazy to measure the crisis properly. The abandonment of containment will equal thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dead medical staff... and once the medical system is overrun, the game is over.
I don't want that. No, that is so anti-human. NOTHING is worth that. The likelihood of people I care about dying skyrockets... and that's not something I'm willing to accept...
This is a tremendously sad thought to have. If you are American, those are your fellow citizens. If you aren't American, they are your fellow human beings on this planet.
Every helping hand is better than hatred.
这是一个非常悲观的想法。 如果你是美国人，他们就是你的同胞。 如果你不是美国人，他们也是这个星球上的人类同胞。每一次的帮助都胜过仇恨。
I don't think a month ago we would have been saying we were in awe of China's response over the US response but dang the tables have really turned...