The deaths of a father and son from alleged torture at the hands of police have sparked outrage across India, with many drawing parallels with the killing of George Floyd in the United States.
Their case has thrown a new spotlight on police brutality just weeks after the killing of Floyd, an African-American man, by a white police officer in the US led to worldwide protests.
J. Jayaraj, 58, and Bennicks Immanuel, 31, were arrested on June 19 and accused of keeping their store open past permitted hours in the southern state of Tamil Nadu, which has reimposed a lockdown to curb the spread of coronavirus.
据称，印度一对父子死于警察的酷刑，在印度各地引发了愤怒，许多人将其与美国的乔治 · 弗洛伊德被杀相提并论。
58岁的J·贾亚拉吉和31岁的本尼克斯 · 伊曼纽尔于6月19日被捕，他们被指控在南部的泰米尔纳德邦超过允许的营业时间继续开门营业。为了遏制新冠病毒的传播，该邦重新实施了封锁。
They died in hospital a few days later, officials said, with their family alleging in written complaints that they were severely abused by police and had suffered rectal bleeding.
Two policemen involved in the alleged torture were suspended, the state's Chief Minister Edappadi Palaniswami said.
He added Sunday that the case would be transferred to federal agency the Central Bureau of Investigation, pending the approval of the Madras High Court.
The deaths in the small town of Sathankulam triggered a protest last week and shopkeepers across Tamil Nadu staged a strike on Wednesday.
该邦的首席部长埃达帕迪 · 帕拉尼斯瓦米说，两名涉嫌酷刑的警察被停职。
"Reeling from what I'm hearing. Absolutely stunned, sad and angry... the guilty must not be allowed to go unpunished," tweeted Bollywood star Priyanka Chopra Jonas on Saturday.
"Let's demand for the same justice we did for George Floyd," said actress Krystle D'Souza.
State politician, social activist and lawyer Jignesh Mevani wrote that the "George Floyds of India are far too many".
"Will Indians march on streets in thousands like in America?" he tweeted.
Rahul Gandhi, a leader of the opposition Congress party, described it as a "tragedy when our protectors turn into oppressors".
Several reports by human rights groups in India have detailed cases of alleged torture of suspects in custody, with deaths often blamed by police on suicide or natural causes.
According to the National Human Rights Commission, 3,146 people died in police and judicial custody in 2017-18.
"Custodial violence and torture is so rampant in India that it has become almost routine," it said in a report.
"It represents the worst form of excesses by public servants entrusted with the duty of law enforcement."
Convictions in such cases are extremely rare, according to activists.
“我听到的事情让我感到非常震惊，绝对震惊、悲伤和愤怒... 不能让罪犯逍遥法外，”宝莱坞明星普里扬卡 · 乔布拉 · 乔纳斯周六在推特上写道。
女演员克莉丝特·德索萨说: “让我们像对待乔治 · 弗洛伊德事件一样，要求公正”。
The shows set in India I've seen on Netflix and Amazon Prime all depict the police as slapping or beating up suspects (I've never been to India so that's the extent of my exposure there, I don't know how accurate it is). It's depicted like it's acceptable, like it's routine procedure. Do the protests have a snowball's chance in summertime India of propelling meaningful changes?
Nope. Police brutality is normalised here to the extent where it's not seen as wrong at all. Those shows and movies are pretty on point.
Old world laws?
India is a very unbalanced society. With over a billion people, and a large majority living in abject poverty, the gap between the have and have nots is large.
We have to work towards a more just society for ALL people, until then you will have gross human rights violations, whether in India or America or anywhere else.
A large majority may be poor, but a large majority of India doesn't live in abject poverty.
This is correct, abject or extreme poverty is living on less than $1.90 per day. About 5.5 % of India’s population is below this threshold. -From Wikipedia.
Isn't that like the population of California?
California is currently around 39 million, while according to another comment the population in abject poverty in India is 74 million, so almost double that.
Thats fucking insane
India has a population of 1.353B. 5.5% of that is 74 million people, which is double the entire population of the country I live in...
Did a quick Google search "As per Census 2011, Gender ratio of India is 943 females per 1000 males. In rural area, there are 949 females to 1000 men, while in urban area there are 929 females to 1000 males. Rural India has 21,813,264 more males and urban India has 13,872,275 more males than females."
Info is almost ten years old, but if ratios haven't changed much then unless they find wives elsewhere or multiple guys marry one woman there will be less to pull out from.
Reality. Also, that police brutality in India is a daily affair. Likening it to George Floyd's killing is a bit too much. Why? Because these might not have been the only killings by cops that day in India. Also, media plays it up HUGE in US and I'm glad it does it that way. But in India, people move on. Usually, it's a slap and move on. The cops can be bribed or reasoned with very easily. Unlike US where cops are paranoid because people have guns. Guns aren't a scene in India unless it's a cop's bad day. Cops are casteist. In short, they're like average Indians who when given a position of power will do anything to keep it and get promoted.
India is a classic case of order in chaos.
Mind you, I'm not justifying police brutality anywhere. I'm simply explaining a daily affair. The absence of guns from the hands of citizens, that makes a world of difference. Else, with a population like India's and people's aggression, cops would be running scared and as paranoid as US police. Still, corruption+fake encounters of gangsters backed by politicians happen. But still, an Indian citizen fears a cop despite knowing he can escape the situation with a $2 bribe. It's a weird puzzle. The cops on the streets are treated terribly by their seniors and it goes up. So you don't know how to solve this problem.
这就是现实。另外，印度的警察暴行是每天都会发生的事情。把它比作乔治 · 弗洛伊德之死就有点过了。为什么？ 因为这可能不是那天在印度唯一一起的警察杀人案。此外，美国媒体大肆炒作，我很高兴它这样做。但是在印度，人们会继续生活。通常，这就像被打了一记耳光，然后继续生活。警察很容易被收买或被说服。不像美国警察因为人们有枪而疑神疑鬼。除非警察倒霉，否则枪支在印度是不会出现的。警察是种族主义者。简而言之，他们就像普通的印度人一样，一旦得到一个有权力的职位，他们会不惜一切代价保住这个职位并得到晋升。
George Floyd was not likely the only person killed by cops in the US that day either. Far from it.
But India has to solve its problems in its own way, I agree.
乔治 · 弗洛伊德也不可能是美国那天唯一一个被警察杀害的人，远非如此。
I think in the US it averages out to about 3 a day. Just depends on whether someone filmed it or not.
Yup, the police beat poor people and rich people beat the police
The report says the father and son were found with rectal bleeding.
Do the police just rape men and women in their asses freely? Is there something I’m missing?
lol people think America is the capital of police brutality. It’s child’s play compared to a lot of other countries. Yes in some countries police will just beat and rape you, or throw you in jail with no evidence, and then imprison you after a sham trial, all because you looked at a cop the wrong way or didn’t pay their made-up fine. Seriously, I know it’s shit that America had police abuse, but be glad you’re not living in some of the Asian or South American countries like that.
This is the 'bargaining' stage of grief, where Americans who just 5 years ago were insisting they lived in the greatest country in the world are now willing to settle for favourable comparisons to the third world
Our Indian police force is no better. Although they prefer hammering the sole of foot and shins and leg area with this thick wodden rod. They do that in routine. Starvation is also common here, they only feed you if it's the day to go to court or if the lawyer is coming to meet you. Make you presentable. I've also heard they use pliers and rip the nails off your fingers for particularly nasty criminals, so yeah horrible shit.
There was a case that got particularly intense. A 15-16 year old kid slashed the neck of a 10-11 year old in a school because he wanted holidays. The police were being pressured to solve the case quickly by the media and politicians so they grabbed the bus driver and fucked him up until he confessed. I saw him on TV, they had to hold the bus driver up because he couldn't even walk on his own. He looked like he was in a coma or something.
Indian here, living in the same state as this piece of news.
There's a lot of truth to it, but the fucked up part is if you're kinda well off or at least appear to be, you get off much lightly... often by just paying a bribe. This wouldn't have happened, the owners of a high end retail store.
I have read that the caste system was strengthened or encouraged by the British to control the native Indians when they were in India. Is there any truth to it?
It is normalised to the extent that shootouts with criminals are seen as something heroic done by the police instead of bringing criminals to justice in court. There are even movies made to make money off this farce.
Well according to Indian culture questioning the elders and authority is wrong. So from a young age it's instilled in a child's mind that questioning people in power is wrong, parents beating you is fine, teachers punishing you by slapping or humiliating you in front of your classmates is fine ( some parents actually encourage that behavior cuz they think the teacher is teaching you a lesson) and as you grow up you believe it's normal so police beating you is normal. Although a lot of young parents and liberal parents question and do not tolerate such behaviour nowadays but you'll find many people who think it's fine to beat someone who is inferior to you and the police is no exception to this rule
Am Indian. This is on point.
I find that interesting. Trump and a majority of his supporters are clearly racist.. Do Indians who support Trump think they'll be treated like white people?
The Bjp, the ruling party in India, is viewed to be anti-Muslim. Trump has spoken a lot against Islamic countries and migration so BJP supporters feel America will always side with them when it comes to Pakistan
Narendra Modi also has a rabid following in India and him and Trump are quite tight with each other. That also endears Trump to a large portion of the Indian public. .
纳伦德拉 · 莫迪在印度也有狂热的追随者，他和特朗普关系非常密切。 这也为特朗普赢得了很大一部分印度公众的喜爱。 .
Recently during the covid lockdown the police usually beats up general public if seen on the streets , the government employees were doing the routine check , the police saw them and had beaten up them too ... it’s more like beat them up then ask why are you here ?
You only get beat if you are too poor to bribe
It’s pretty damn accurate, if you ever have the time and interest watch this movie called “Visaranai”(interrogation) using subtitles It’s a true story that got out and shows the extent of police brutality in India
lmao, there are literally videos of police beating people with sticks while they drive by on motorcycles because they're not following the covid19 lockdown
Bruh police beating the shit out of you is very normalised here.
they didn't just beat the sh't out of them-they tortured the father & son to death!!
They were basically sodomised to death. I hope this isn't normal in india
Unfortuantely sodomy is a form of torture employed by police frequently in India. They've a wooden stick called lathi which they insert into suspect's rectum. They also give electric shocks to genitals, nipples, rectum as a form of torture. With the quarantine in place, the police have gone out of hand . They've been given freedom to be their own animal selves.
Oh my god...
They raped them to death.
This same horrible behavior by cops where they nearly killed a man in NYC many years ago.
When they were tweeting in support of George Floyd, I told my brother these are the celebrities that won't say anything if something happened in India.
No one said a thing in support of Muslims during the recent protests. How is it that different from the issue in US
当他们在推特上支持乔治 · 弗洛伊德的时候，我告诉我弟弟，如果在印度发生了什么事，这些名人是不会说任何话的。
Honestly as sad and disgusting it is, things like this happens in India regularly. And worst part is that no one bats an eye over it.
Edit: by no one I'm referring to the people who can actually bring a change, who actually have the power to get things done i.e. the big politicians, administrative officers, even the officials of police Dept themselves. In India, most of the times the cries of common public are ignored anyways.
I also think they don't charge someone unless it's a slam dunk case
Not true for a few European countries. The UK for instance has pretty reasonable policing.
Especially with increasingly hostile public who are soaking in all the American media without applying a bit of critical thinking.
Difference is the case in India is not out of the ordinary, it happens regularly. And there will be no protests. People in India are scared of politicians and police.
The police brutality in India makes the police in U.S. look like cute, angry little puppies. This will be interesting.
it will be nothing. people will go back to regular life after a few days or a week. police and the mafia have too much control
Yeah, this is horrible
Most of the protesting in other counties focuses on the (american) racial aspect, not the police brutality one, as far as i have been able to see.
Absolutely. George Floyd’s killing was horrific in itself, but also emblematic of a massive social problem across the world - violent and unaccountable police.
当然。 乔治 · 弗洛伊德的谋杀案本身就让人毛骨悚然，但它也象征着世界各地一个巨大的社会问题——暴力和不负责任的警察。
Indian police is known for its corruption. Not just their police but corruption is everywhere including politics and the judicial system. Bribery is how you get things done there. It’s a norm and it’s not comparable to the States in any way. The caste system makes it much worse for Indians.
Don’t even think about protesting there.
Most police are corrupt in India. Whenever we visit they will stop us constantly and basically ask for a bribe. Most think that if you're from the US or Canada that your automatically rich. We comply most of the time because it's a relatively small amount and not worth causing a scene. However there is always the one guy who asks for too much, so then we have to call our family friend who's a district police chief and then it's all apologies.
This is sad and true.
The hypocrisy of India can surely be seen since the matter has come up. Everyone turned up when George Floyd died whereas when the father-son duo were killed because of police brutality, none of the so-called activists, celebrities or even who are advocates of human rights and everything else came forward to condemn the act.
People had to call them out and only then, some of them showed solidarity. This is why it is so normal here to have such instances because no one bats an eye. And I can assure you, when the investigations starts it will be revealed that "police was the victim" and "the father-son duo was the culprit." Shameful!