Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam Did a Lot of Research on China
China has 2142 registered Homeless Shelters - each capable of accomodating between 250 to 6000 Homeless persons, feed them twice a day and put them to work in the Homeless Labor Program for upto 1 year following which they will be integrated into the National Labor Force.
Until the COVID 19 Crisis - the Shelters averaged between 61–80% occupancy but since COVID 19 Crisis - the Shelters average between 154 - 227% occupancy.
Chinese Social Services has 31400 welfare workers to take care of Homeless People and guide them to the shelters.
China has 18 people per 10000 classified as Homeless while US has 17 people per 10000 classified as Homeless.
The difference is in China - 93% of the Homeless People are sheltered whereas in the US - only 57% of the Homeless People are sheltered (43% are on the streets).
There is a fundamental reason for this
State Welfare vs Organizational and Individual Welfare
In China - the Shelters and Case Workers are 100% funded by the State. The Food for the Homeless is funded by the Chinese Government and paid out of Yeibo tax levied from the Taxpayers.
In US - the Social Services Workers are Government Funded but everything else from Food to Shelter is funded by Individual Trusts and Pro Bono outfits and Charity outfits for Tax purposes and Religious Charities.
As a result US has a more limited response to welfare workers.
国家福利 vs 组织和个人福利
Reasonable Laws vs Capitalism
In China - the main reason for Homelessness is Rural Migration to Cities. Most such migrants are brought back the Villages and a handful are taken to the Shelters.
In US - the main reason for Homelessness is EVICTION and MENTAL HEALTH.
In China - the Laws regarding Eviction are far more leninent. In every single case of Eviction - there is always alternate property being offered to the persons being evicted. There is also a compensation paid for moving reasons.
In US - the Laws are clear. Evictions are always there and people sleep in their cars after being evicted. It is believed that without an additional stimulus program by the Congress - US will have nearly 750000 people evicted from their homes due to COVID 19.
Old Age Laws
In China - Persons older than 75 years old (Or 82 Years old depending on Province) are looked upon as Children and have a Pension System that is very reasonable.
In US - Old Persons is abandoned should either be lucky enough to find a charity that cares or simply die. There is no provision.
So though CHINA has almost as much of a Homeless Problem as the US - China handles its Homelessness far better than the US.
Yesterday i read about capitalism, socialism and communism...Russia became communist after WW1 and russia revolution and next china. I think communism proplspers a country economically, it is like a rocket. After all are if people get more money automatically social justice will be served. India should become communist and imperialist. Take as much as possible and give it only to its citizens.
That’s the worst form of government
Nominally, the Indian state of Kerala operates under a communist system and administration I believe.
Socialist Indian is very much prosperous and developed than Russia and china. 😅
Yes Nehruvian socialism has kept us back all these years. Our economy somewhat started improving only after 1991. So basically we've been independent since only 40 years.
Socialist Indian is what??
Sarcasm isnt your strongest suit, iam guessing
China is only socially communist and economically capitalist. That's why they are ahead.
I am sure Venezuelans would find your viewpoint very interesting
If china is the only communist country that could make communism work, then that is called an exception, not the norm. Capitalism with some degree of socialism is the right path forward.
Include India too. I actually want some data about my country too.
Unless I’m wrong, our data on this (as in many other areas) is really patchy.
It will be shameful and some apologist will shriek about the great Indian family system.
Thank you for the well researched answer. Now I know why I saw no homelessness when visiting China last year, while we have much in my home state of California.
It would be great if India adopts this kind of programs. Instead of directly handing out money, we have to provide them with jobs and make them work.
But the problem with such a system is too much unnecessary work.For eg,the CPEC project is being constructed by these very labourers.And the burden of this white elephant is being passed on to the Pak gov.Another result of this are the ghost cities in China.
I guess India should also employ their civil engineers to build such ghost cities all around the world😅.
Why should we care if Pak is burdened?
It'd help a lot if you could add sources to the excellent info you find, at the end of your answers. I'm genuinely curious!
Homeless labour program…….won't work here. Immediately political parties will go on strike bandh etc.
Why do you think the political parties will strike?? Can you explain??
Did you miss the memo of Indian politics since last 6 years? Everytime govt brings in something good the opposition creates ruckus, riots, violence and defamation of India on global level.
You missed the 10 years prior to that. “FDI over my dead body”. “Aadhaar is dangerous”. “GST never when I am there”.
Only your last sentence wasn't applicable for those 10 years. India earned a reasonable reputation abroad that the USA thought it fit to sign a Nuclear Treaty with us. Australia found it could export Uranium to us. France thought it fit to sell its Rafale to us at a lower cost. Why even the US offered the F16, F18, F21 and the latest F35 to us. Selective amnesia is a convenient disease. Reading history can cure it.
只有你的最后一句话不适用于那10年。印度在国外赢得了合理的声誉，美国认为与我们签署核条约很合适。澳大利亚发现它可以向我们出口铀。法国认为把阵风战机以较低的价格卖给我们很合适。为什么连美国都要提供F16, F18, F21和最新的F35给我们呢？选择性失忆症是一种很便利的疾病。阅读历史可以治愈这症状。
I don't know these statements. Even if that true is it justified what the current opposition is doing?
All those things are business. Check the FDI in 2013 vs 2020. It's never been higher than today. But this ruckus and politicising issues to create riots and cause instability in India as well defamation of India on a global level and those people supporting this sh*t?
Proves average IQ of Indians is 80.
The BJP still holds the record for the highest number of days of disrupting parliament in the entire history of post independence Indian democracy. Like I said, reading history can cure brain fog.
There are homeless people, yes, but there isn’t a homeless problem like in the US.
To understand that, we have to know that the homeless issue in the US is not normal. That is, for a country like the US, known as the most powerful, richest, nation on Earth, the normal thing is that there should not be a homeless problem.
Just take a look at this article: San Francisco has nearly five empty homes per homeless resident
In fact, the article goes on to state that California, which has the largest homeless population in the US at over 151 thousand, has in fact over 225 thousand empty homes.
So why do people go homeless in the US?
“According to the most recent annual survey by the U.S. Conference of Mayors, major cities across the country report that top causes of homelessness among families were: (1) lack of affordable housing, (2) unemployment, (3) poverty, and (4) low wages, in that order.
The same report found that the top five causes of homelessness among unaccompanied individuals were (1) lack of affordable housing, (2) unemployment, (3) poverty, (4) mental illness and the lack of needed services, and (5) substance abuse and the lack of needed services.”
The main cause of homelessness is lack of available funds.
Yes, domestic abuse, substance abuse, and mental illness play a role. But overwhelmingly it is low real wages, unemployment, and poverty that contribute the most to the homelessness problem.
And what about China?
In China, state enterprises, which employ the most people, mandate housing for all its employees. Wages are low, yes, but you are given free meals and housing if you work there.
And in fact, even the exploitative companies that hire people (typically migrants) at dirt cheap prices usually provide housing. They know that if all of a sudden the city is flooded by myriads of homeless people, the government would be all over their ass. So they provide a home.
Now these homes are not particularly nice. It’s little more than a bunk bed in a storage room.
But it is better than nothing.
And what about the US?
The problem is with the people. Yes, the normal Americans.
* They don’t want extra public housing built because “my home will depreciate in value!”
* They don’t want the state providing rudimentary housing because “that’s socialism!”
I’m sure you’ve heard these expressions before
So don’t be surprised that China doesn’t have a homelessness problem.
Be surprised that the US does.
Wenjie Piao lived in The United States of America
Homeless population? Yes. Problem? Of course, nobody should be homeless.
But no as serious as US, nowhere near.
* the urbanization or colonial destinations were bloody. The peasant lost their land and were forced into the poorly or immature cities, and the volume was way beyond the absorption of the infrastructure and opportunities provided and available to them. This is more prudent in Southern America and India, the homelessness and slum were mostly due to this process, in US I can't say exactly how much could be contributed to it. China on the contrary, has a thick cushion of nature villages. Urban-rural duality has a workable circulation.
* class ceiling. the upward mobility to them is non existent.
* drug problem. I really, really didn't think there's a place on earth that people living on the bench along Hudson River has the money to buy weed and what I imagine to be crack cocaine (white powder I can't tell what it is, never saw it before I came here), and use them in the open, and nobody seems to give a fuck about it.
In China the homeless I've seen are two: scammers and people with mental health problems. You know the YouTube videos who followed people who ask for money along the intersection with a banner and go back to their house like a job? And after the state run shelter policy got abandoned without an alternative, mental health patients abandoned by their guardian were left on the street.
I should add there's another kind, I just thought about it and I think they should be included. Those who live at the strip of a city in a dump and make their living by collecting and recycling bottles and stuff.
Wayne Yu Art of Med/Surgical Healing, Tech Innovator
Of course China has a homeless problem, just as for every country on the planet. The difference is in terms of severity of the problem. When comparing China and the US in the year 2020, I’d suggest that the problem is far far less than the serious situation there in the US. Prior to the economic opening, China was generally poor but due to the harder line communism ideology of the time, there was effectively no beggars nor homelessness in China. However, following the opening up of China in the 80s and the pursuit of economic objectives, wealth gap developed along with an increase in unemployment from collapsed state enterprises, beggars and homelessness appeared in Chinese cities. However, over time, there’s a major reduction of poverty across the country, numbering 700M over the last 40 years. Then in the last 7 years though, there’s been a focused national poverty alleviation campaign, aiming to completely eliminate severe poverty across the country by the end of 2020. Just last week, the last few counties came off the national poverty list. In cities, it’s now harder and harder to see beggars, let alone homelessness. The only beggars we now see are professional beggars who are making much more than a worker on a basic wage, or some elderly peasants scamming ‘free money’. All very dodgy. In comparison, the number of of homeless and beggars in US cities is for all to see. At freeway entrances, on 5th Ave in NYC, along Market St in SF and the list goes on. Fundamentally, it’s a question of governance, whether governments are putting in the resources to solve the root causes of these social issues. In the US and whilst being the wealthiest nation, the answer is no.
Leo Yang lives in China
* Culture difference. In China, it’s almost mandatory to purchase an apartment if you want to get married. If you can’t afford, your parents will help too. It’s said that nowadays getting married means ‘6 wallets’ becoming empty - yours, your wifes, and parents of both families.
* Higher saving rate. Credit card is not popular in China, you use Alipay or wechat pay here, therefore get less used to paying the future money, or paying by installments. And Chinese are generally better at math - so better at calculating interests.
* Believe it or not, China is a developing country. Some areas are still quite undeveloped - and quite affordable. If you know how to farm, you can live with very very low cost, or even generate a little bit income from it. At least, a farmer is not a homeless. Actually, most Chinese above the age of 50 know how to farm, because in the old days, everyone is farmer. And many elderly Chinese love to keep a safe house in rural area, even if they’ve relocated to big cities. If there will be war, many Chinese know where to go.
I don’t know about US, but I know UK and China, in China there are homeless, but very very very little, much less than UK, it’s really hard to see in China, but there are, about … if I go out to walk in the city centre for 5 hours everyday, I can see one homeless about once twice a year something like that, street begger I mean, I know they are not homeless but just street begger, and they dress so bad so the other people can pay him, but also I know they do it like a job because they earn more money than a normal worker, thus I never gave money to them. when I was little, about 1995–1998 ish, there was one or two beggers come to my apartment to ask for food, I still remember my parents gave them good food, since they didn’t beg for money, but after that we never see this kind of begger anymore, from 2000 till 2012 while I was still in China, it’s really rare to see street begger, homeless? Nop, they are only street begger, they have home to go, but they act homeless so they can get money from passenger, if you follow them in the evening you can see where they live, not on the stree like the ones in UK.
No, it’s a completely different problem on a completely different scale. As many of the homeless in china’s cities have rural hukous and homes in further away rural areas, they aren’t counted as homeless at all, just temporarily sleeping under a bridge while they try to earn money somehow in the city.
China also has a lot of cheap underground housing, allowing many to avoid homelessness even if they have to deal with mold and no windows.
Allen Allington 26 countries, 1500 days in Asia. Lives in China part time
If you spend time in China you might see some men sleeping in a park or train station and think of homelessness but those are rural farmers who come into cities to find cash jobs off season. The cash helps support their families during growing season and winters, often a major contributor to family overall income.
BY Deng Lived in China for 27 years, and 6 years in the US
Not as seriously as the US.
Every country has homeless, I can’t say there’s zero beggar or homeless in China, but quite fewer than the US.
Before you ask why China has fewer, let’s check why the US has more.
* Bankruptcy. The US has matured credit system, people don’t like putting money in saving account while the bankers encourage people spend before earn. Once you had an accident which causes your funding chain broken, you bankrupt, no one hires you, you lose your home and family, become a homeless. China government encourages people save money to bank, don’t spend money until you earn it in your pocket.
* Drug. Drug addiction causes Americans crazy, then nothing to lose quickly. In China, drug dealer is death sentenced.
* Weather. More than half of China cities have a colder winter than NYC. A homeless can sleep on a bench in LA every night, but not in Beijing.
Paul Mitchell Veterinarian (2014-present)
There are doubtless some people, but certainly not many.
It’s a cultural difference. Children can be taken to court and punished if they do not look after their elderly parents. There is a greater sense of social responsibility in some ways.
Ruby Mei Le
No, China does not have homeless people. People in China have to be productive members of society. Apparently, the local government makes sure that anyone who could end up homeless gets a job and housing.
Akkinapalli Venkateswararao PGDM Bachelor of Commerce Degrees & Bachelor of Law, Andhra University&alagappa Univetsity (2010)
Living in cars by poor people is not encouraged in China.they have sufficient barracks meant for homeless who are very few.the unemployment rate of China is lesser than America and the system of China does not allow people to wander,they are provided barracks in case of eventuality.
All countries have that problem whether they use that term for it. There are destitute people all over the world rendered so by the avarice for wealth and power for the few rogues in 3 piece.
No. China does not have homeless issues because China does not have drug issues. Anyone dealing with drugs is treated harshly.
USA has homeless issues because of corruption issues. Low cost housing often are more expensive than conventional housing.
Roberto Zschaber lived in São Paulo Brazil (1996-2020)
China has few problems with homelessness.
Because it is a socialist country, solidarity,
The government's goal is to improve people's quality of life.
US government's goal is to enrich weapon makers and other gangsters