The rest of the video includes a mixture of real footage and renderings of various Chinese fighter jets, focusing heavily on the stealthy J-20. There is one segment where one of those stealth fighters flies alongside a formation of early Cold War MiG-15s with North Korean People's Army markings, a nod to the participation of PLAAF pilots in the Korean War.
Without seeing anything of the rear of the computer-rendered design in the new video, it's impossible to make any new assessment about the H-20's possible planform in this regard. Even if we did have a full view, it is again worth noting that what we're seeing here is only a rendering and is likely not necessarily an accurate representation of the final design.
Introducing a stealth bomber would also be well in line with the PLA's wide array of other high-tech modernization efforts, including stealthy UCAVs, increasingly more capable drone swarms, hypersonic and anti-satellite weapons, electromagnetic railguns, and more. No matter what, while we have no way of knowing if this video indicates that the actual H-20 — whatever it might be look like in the end — is getting close to breaking cover, it is yet another hint that work on that aircraft is making significant progress.
It's a beautiful machine with strategic intent. Good for China. Why would anyone with a right mind copy from the obsolete US crap? Only the Red Neck would think so without facts, like Trump, dumb and dumber.
Of all the snide remarks regarding China's inability to independently create a stealth bomber. Let me ask you this : Can anyone of you create a platform which is stealthy, air worthy and still carry a respectable bomb load without it taking on a flying wing design ?
No ? then shut up.
Since the first plane flown or when the first tank drove onto the battlefield, not a single nation had strayed from the fundamental principles that dictate how these machines work. Yet no one had accused US, Britain or Russia of copying.
There's a big difference between being informed by conventional design principles, and outright blatant copying - and you'll have a hard time suggesting China isn't doing the latter.
Side-by-Side comparisons that are pretty hard to deny.
There is a good reason for China's earlier slew of weapons copying as their own military equipment was seriously obsolete at the time and requires urgent replacement . They can either negotiate foreign purchase deals or spend decades to reinvent the wheel or they can just follow tried and true trends to satisfy immediate needs, which they pragmatically choose the latter.
A trend that many people fail to realize is that once China gets a system that satisfies their immediate requirements, they will invest in their own domestic designs afterwards.
Their naval ship designs are among the most clear signs of this. With their 052s and 055 family of ships being of uniquely Chinese designs, but myopic focus of Chinese bashing often ignores this.
In the end we will need to see a production unit of the H-20 before we pass judgement and not just some cleaverly crafted CGI image, but I won't be surprised if it follows the J-20 trend of design.
The F-35 seems to be going along nicely, can’t comment on the Ford
Maybe, after nearly a 100 examples were made and constant delays an overruns. If any other nation did something like this, the naysayers would be hounding them like wolves. But not for LM, they are "special".
The whole program was very ambitious, and flawed, but it's paying off now.
Large part of it has to do with the fact that there is no other alternative for the USAF, and the fact that it killed the upgrade projects for so many other legacy fighters to force the government into getting the F-35 to the point it is disgusting.
There sure is an alternative in the form of a 6th generation fighter that we just recently tested. But it'll be years before that program comes to fruition. Whereas China loves to copy everything and get it to 'market' as quickly as possible, we actually innovate and take our time perfecting the details before rushing it to completion to satisfy politicians or unreasonably aggressive timelines.
But it sounds to me like you'd be a great fit at the Xian Aircraft Corp--you should apply for a job with them!
"we actually innovate and take our time perfecting the details before rushing it to completion to satisfy politicians "
Then why was the Gerald Ford commissioned when it's weapon's elevators are still not fixed ? Or why was there more than a hundred F-35s when it was not yet officially commissioned into service ?
It is one thing to acquire foreign intelligence and to test them out and another to put lipstick on a pig and pretend it is a beaut. Yours is the latter. And your pathetic attempts at insults won't change that one iota.
Whatever you say bro! Chinese equipment is far superior to ours and I'm sure they would wipe out our military in a matter of hours with their overwhelmingly superior airpower. I'm literally quivering in my boots...
You should volunteer for that job! Sounds like you've got everything sorted out already.
"If you are good at something never do it for free". Give me a 6 figure salary and a full staff and then I will sort it out them.
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Japan had learned to innovate. Why would China not be able to do so ? Culture is not something permanently standing still, especially in this digital age.
I'm not saying that China will not be able to become innovative but culture takes a long time to change. This isn't something that is going to happen over night or even in the next 10 or 20 years.
I guess if you want a flying wing design for a bomber, with stealth features such as deeply buried engines, that has X-km range with a Y-kg payload, the opportunities for differing designs are pretty limited.
If it works for the USAF it will work for the People's Liberation Army Air Force as well...
Yeah, I've seen the same thing said about all the Prius-esque hybrid cars around. if you want a practical, sensible, low-drag option, then there are certain aerodynamic and volumetric rules that everyone is going to have to more or less follow.
One thing I will say about Russia: they have creative and talented engineers and designers that produce original equipment that meets the needs of their armed forces. As an American, I'm glad that they can't field their equipment in vast numbers, but I can look at the Su-57 and T-14 and admire their design, innovation, and craftsmanship . Looking forward to seeing the design of the Pak Da.
Honestly speaking if one was to put the Su-57 and the F-22 side by side without telling anyone their history. A good amount of people will most likely say that one of them copied or at the very least draw inspiration from the other.
But oh no, apparently it is only the Chinese who have to bend their backs backwards to please people who cries "originality" .
If China wanted to straight copy of the F-22 they would not have bothered with the front canards as well as the rear tail and engine design.
In fact the J-20 on first glance displays more originality than the Su-57 to the F-22. But then again bias does not care.
Even copying the B-21 teaser commercial...
I'm starting to think they are doing the art of war thing on us.. appear weak when you are strong, appear stupid when you are smart?
Meanwhile despite having a head start in different fields nobody is interested in the PAK DA or expecting it.
Interesting to note the PAK DA prototype is apparently pretty much complete. Probably won't do flight testing till 2022 or later, but it is moving along. They are not releasing much info though
Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
It's also a good way to keep your own development cheap. Why spend your money into trying to reinvent the wheel?
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The design and general specs of the B-2 have been publicly available for a couple decades now, no espionage needed.
This is not about shame. This is about growing their forces in every domain, faster and for cheaper than anyone has ever done. What do they care about copying rather than re-inventing the wheel, if it allows them to build more aircraft, faster, cheaper, and to quickly become strong enough to discourage any form of assault?
They win on all aspects, starting with the fact that they acquire large fleets of effective equipment for a fraction of what it cost the US to design their own... The Chinese aren't in it for the looks. They have purposes, and they're reaching them. Whether you find they have no shame, or whether someone says it's beyond pathetic, simply does not concern them in any way.
The fact that it's pathetic is my point. When you've embarrassed yourself so bad, others are ashamed *for you*, and you don't care or understand, that's pretty ill , at least where I come from.
You may want to go back to turn of the 20th century (and a bit earlier) US design and see how much they aped european designs ... its a weirdly short memory to think the only rising power in history to have done this is China ?
Embarrassed in relation to who? You? They don't care. To the US? They don't care.
This video is not addressed to the US, it's addressed to Chinese.
And tomorrow, Chinese people will ask themselves if Americans feel no shamed of what's happened in Washington today, and if US citizens don't care or don't understand. And they'll be thinking that where they come from, nothing so shameful would ever be allowed to happen.
I guess this just a matter of priorities.
Apologies to TWZ for being off topic, but what's going on in Washington is just crazy.
I'm following this from France. And I have two things to say to you guys : one, I'm very sorry this is happening and I deeply feel for what's being done to your institutions;second... sorry guys, but you've done this to yourselves: it's been too long since intelligence and respect have been out of US political debates, too long since ill-intended politicians have bet on taking advantage of the least intelligent and worst behaved part of the US population.This is not a merely political issue, though, it is about the rise of the politics of "I vs. the world".
I'm sure it will get under control, sooner rather than later, but still too late. Now you have a lot of work ahead of you to fix the damage, not just on Congress or your constitutional institutions, but on your society entirely.
Hopefully those in charge now and in a few weeks will do everything they must do, and finally remember selflessness.
Good luck to you guys.
第二... 抱歉，伙计们，但是你们自己也这样做了：美国的政治辩论早就没有智慧和尊重了，恶意的政客们把赌注押在利用美国人口中最不聪明和行为最恶劣的部分人身上了。然而，这不仅仅是一个政治问题，而是关于“我 vs 世界”政治的兴起。
Nicely written and stated opinion. Thank you.
I never new the ghost of Hitler will appear in the Capitol in the flesh, stand back and stand by proud boys.
Ho yeah sure... On top of this BS, you have an out-of-control pandemic, and large-scale computer attack, possible war ready to break out in the Gulf, and a sh*t load of enemies not only laughing but getting ready to seize the opportunity...
I'm not too worried about the Capitol, but you need to be realistic about the larger consequences of this mess. While your government will be busy sorting this sh*t out, it won't be doing other stuff, and many forces are ready to take advantage. And the causes of this present mess are very deep, and will keep being a problem for a long while. This not a small matter.
The old America is fighting the new America. Think back to Hobbes vs. Rosseau, to 1789. We don't need luck. We need strong people to stop hating themselves. We need people to stop acting like helpless victims seeking a handout, seeking protection from all bullies. We need a new leader and Trump is not it, but my god Biden isn't either. Bring me Yang, Gabbard, Crenshaw. People who are centrists that actually have a brain.
In China, it seems everyone wants to join the military, even if it's just as a guard.
It is a clear path to future success and the are always turning away thousands upon thousands of applicants.
For example, I worked with a Chinese national that was rejected for military service. This was a man who was fit and had a PhD in molecular biology and genetics. He told me the story about how he and basically his entire graduating class applied and no one got in.
Dude in Switzerland
Just unbelievable. Such scenes are just not worth for such a great country. Storming the capitol... These peoples don't even have the respect for the country's institutions. So much radicalized, frustrated folks full of hate and angry on both sides. This really makes me sad seeing a country being divided.
Just this and the (lack of) management of COVID, no chinese missiles and jets needs to fly. I guess China is just laughing his ass of...
Maybe it about how, just as China copies lots of stuff from the US, the US political system has been blatantly and shamelessly copying Italy lately.
Being the laughing stock of the whole World.