Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam Lawyer
They are a Nation of Achievers and Winners
Their planning is so incredible that they are far ahead of United States at this stage. They are in the position where US was in 1940s during the War when factories kept on churning machinery, planes, glass, equipment continously.
The Greatest thing about the Chinese is - They try as far as possible to manufacture every single component at home.
APIs, Biological Treatment Chemicals, Vaccine Materials, Culture Media, Vials, Ampoules- every thing manufactured in China.
So they can ramp up production in a matter of days.
They have everything ready including the Machinery and the Expertise.
It started with their steel industry. In 1977 Deng requested the Americans and the Japanese to help the Chinese learn about steel works. From 1977 - 1993 - China sent 43000 People just to learn about steelworks on the Steel Friendship Pact. Today they make more steel than any Nation in earth and its quality is getting better by the day.
Even here. They got a MRNA Vaccine development deal with BioNTech. Trust me in 5 years time - They will be making MRNA Vaccines for every major manufacturer.
Here is why their Vaccination is such a huge success
* Beautiful Supply Chain
* Almost every single piece of material is Indigenous
* Willing to spend over $ 700 Million for Vaccine Development. Third most after US ($ 12 Billion) and EU ($ 4 Billion).
* A Manufacturing Capacity that is the best in the world to date
* Excellent Governance and Meritocracy
Here is why our Vaccination is the BIGGEST GLOBAL FAILURE
* Zero Supply Chain
* Most Materials sourced from Overseas
* ZERO Spending. Instead money blown on School made Ventilators
* A Manufacturing Capacity that is laughable and mockable
* Worst Governance by the Most Incompetent Man on Earth
即使现在。他们与拜恩泰科公司达成了一项 mRNA 疫苗开发协议。相信我，在5年内，他们将为每一个主要制造商生产 mRNA 疫苗。
Why PM Modi didn't order mass production of Covid vaccines sooner!
There is a perception that PM Modi should've placed orders for mass production of Covid vaccines sooner. I had a detailed discussion with a person who is working on this with GoI. He provided me a lot of clarity. Let me summarize it here:
1.) Any vaccine requires extensive testing for adverse reactions. So, any government would only proceed cautiously. Covid vaccine is no different. Even the US ramped up vaccine administration only gradually. Let's take the most adverse outcome scenario. A few crore vaccines are produced and administered in a rush only to have adverse reactions as outcome. GoI would be compelled to throw away the vaccines. Worse, it would've depleted the raw materials and GoI wouldn't be able to modify the formula and manufacture new vaccines either. So, GoI took the most prudent decision of ramping up orders, production, and administration gradually. This stance is vindicated by the fact that false propaganda induced vaccine hesitancy between January and March due to which millions of vaccines had to be discarded.
2.) The ability of a large country to vaccinate all of her population depends on her ability to stockpile. This is where the US embargo on the raw materials hurt India badly. This forced GoI to become even more stringent with the orders. Had the US not imposed this racist, neo-colonial embargo, India wouldn't have faced a crisis at all.
3.) Handling live viruses in the manufacturing process takes skill. One mistake and you would have an outbreak. Training resources takes time.
4.) The world has not seen a pandemic such as this. Given India's economic and industrial capability, she can realistically manufacture 10 crore vaccines per month which means over the next year all Indians would be vaccinated. However, the high risk population is likely to be around 20-30 crores. If those could be vaccinated on priority then India would drastically reduce ICU admits and mortality. GoI has initiated all necessary steps to fulfill this. As a combination of Covaxin, Covishield, and Sputnik are adminstered to high-risk segments over the next 3 months India would've emerged out of risk.
4、世界上还没有发生过这样的大流行病。考虑到印度的经济和工业能力，她实际上每月可以生产一亿剂疫苗，这意味着明年所有的印度人都将接种疫苗。然而，高危人群可能在2到3亿左右。如果这些人能够优先接种疫苗，那么印度将大大降低 ICU 的入院率和死亡率。印度政府已采取一切必要措施来实现这一目标。随着 Covaxin、Covishield和Sputnik三种疫苗的组合，在未来3个月内用于高风险人群，印度将会走出风险。
5.) Of course, no need to relax even after that. Viruses could mutate. There could be next waves. However, once the high-risk segments are vaccinated, this risk reduces drastically.
I asked him why PM Modi couldn't have explained it on television. He replied, "If he had done that, it would have reinforced the false perception regarding vaccine safety which vested interest groups had been spreading. It would've bolstered vaccine hesitancy and compounded the problem. So, the only option was to bite the bullet and keep on working."
Propaganda of RSS BJP started to whitewash & hide their failures.
You are disgusting filth.
P.S- “Only wearer know where the shoe pinches.” Only when a loved one will suffer the hell which this government brought on millions then only 'Broods of Viper' like you will understand.
* Modi didn't anticipate the second wave he declared the war as won , declared india is a world teacher and puffed up uselessly ,now his mistakes are obvious he is in immage damage control mode ,by hiding the numbers and spinning a narrative “ I know this relative in ____ vaccine firm “ .The core of the matter is while other countries did ramp up production , invested billions in research ,development and testing modi paid NIL till the last minute, did a election campaign , declared india as a world leader and teacher and gave a order for 200 $ million . Knowing Indias production capacity ,it's foolish to declare india is a pharmacy of the world and supply vaccine to Canada
【回复】莫迪没有预料到第二波疫情，他宣布战争已经获胜，宣称印度是世界教师，毫无用处地吹嘘，现在他的错误显而易见，他正处于危害控制模式，通过隐瞒数字和编造故事“我有个亲戚在_ _ _疫苗公司”。问题的核心在于，其他国家确实提高了产量，在研发和测试方面投入了数十亿美元，而莫迪直到最后一刻才投入资金，进行了竞选活动，宣布印度是世界领导者和教师，并下达了2亿美元的订单。考虑到印度的生产能力，宣称印度是“世界药房”并向加拿大供应疫苗，很愚蠢。
A simple question, Sir.
If PM or PMO , had expected , even a quarter of the '’Carona Second Wave ’ tragedy OR ' half of “Mother of all vaccine logjams' , OR even a fraction of Dead bodies floating in Holy Ganges, than Would all the hurdles u have painstakingly listed ( i.e. extensive testing, large population, complex manufacturing process involving live virus , stock piling costs etc) ,would they have stopped Modi Ji and his advisers from taking suitable , timely steps to mitigate the tsunami? Would they have been so callous.?
The simple fact is, We all know and the hapless public also knows, that in their undue haste to claim victory over a super pandemic , in time to trumpet the same in State Elections, PM and his advisers lost the vaccine, even before the tragedy commenced. For GOI , second wave was a myth, as Dr.Hvardhan put it infamously on ,as recently as March 8th , " India was in End game of Carona'. They didn't even place orders for vaccine or paid a token advance till middle of April. They misread the whole situation, the trusting folks lost their lives, in thousands.
Modi Ji and his 'more loyal than king' followers ,will not explain anything because there isn't anything humongously inexplicable, to explain .
While , Demonetization played havoc with People's LIVELIHOOD. Carona has ruined People's LIVES.
Will the common folk , who fogot Demonetisation debacle , forgive the Carona catastrophe?
This Jaishankar also falls in Modi's category. Sushma Swaraj was very good in foreign relations. She maintained good relations and with USA and China both but this jaishankar has worsened our relations with China.
America and chinese people world class not intrested in india we have cheaters in public office we already back by 35 yrs
Yeah You understood that.
So, Chinese Army is playing chess with Indian soldiers during stand off .
Or perhaps they already knew how to make the vaccine? I respect all your India related answers a lot. Why are you not as critical of China as you are of India?
When you have evidence and LOGIC
We can beat China, if we are not democracy.
you and your followers are licking china like RW is licking israel. stop it.
If they are superior - admire them. Thats not licking. Thats admiring a great country and hoping you can reach their level one day.
I followed you because you provided excellent arguments backed by facts.
But now you are minimizing facts and more hate speech.
The question was why China can vaccinate and produce more vaccines than india , the question was answered well why Chinese are ahead of us in many ways.Instead of humble acknowledgement or attacking jumped on"you and your followers” , Quora is a learning platform not a abuse platform if you cannot handle a political criticism.
Direct ranting and insult is not a political criticism.
For example ,Modi said make in India since 2014, open your cellphone does it have any india made component ? ,It's all imported, and ASSEMBLED here, basic medical equipment is imported, modi has done image building , narrative spinning for that's what he is, and that's all he has done for india. India has been on the downhill since 2014 decending rapidly in all indices He has sullied India ,it's dying citizens and the PMs chair with his megalomaniac autocratic behaviour.This is a collective rant groan rattle of all of us seeing Indias oxygen saturation go down because of this man , it's more than criticism it's personal most of us have lost some one or another due to covid .The number are not matching , This man is again responsible.
no. i am not talking about it. he blindly admires china in each and every step and his answers on china India are almost predictable.
>china best country china very intelligent
>we can not be like china.
atleast 50 answers he has written the same thing again and again.
Be specific to the question here , it's about the question why we cannot manufacture this vaccine in numbers and every point he is right 100 % .Can you dispute one point here ?.Can you proudly say one phone manufactured in India without a single Chinese component ? , False pride is dangerous , accept the reality of how modi has degraded India learn from the mistakes accept them and move on, how can one improve when being in denial.MODI has hyped up false propoganda false pride for political , idiological and electoral reasons.It has degraded India.
I 100% agree that India is a failed state. We have capitulated because of Covid, and would be happy if Modi resigned. However, that is still not a justification for whitewashing China. Do you feel criticising India on one hand and whitewashing PRC on the other hand is fair?
Modi should be kicked out before 3rd wave. Else it will be bloodbath
We even recycle ppe kits in hospitals...
Danny Dev Traveller
Google may help you. Find out how many countries have passed that number already ( take Europe as one group comparing like for like ).
Yes China started earlier and have their own vaccine and aren’t encumbered by the same legislation and evaluation that India has.
If you can’t help , don’t hinder. It costs you nothing to have empathy and use sense ( if you have any )
Prabhash C. Ojha B.Tech&MBA from Birsa Institute of Technology, Sindri (1977)
China's policy is not influenced by any other country. Besides it has plenty of resources so they can do anything. We lack a clear policy and planning. When various countries were preparing for second wave of corona we were busy in elections. India had to put up a global tender but no results.
Very well answered.
Elna Tymes Principal, Cognitas Health (2019-present)
China has its own vaccine manufacturing facilities and has developed several Covid vaccines, of which Sinovac is being sold worldwide. Like the US, China has been taking care of its own population first. India also has its own manufacturing facilities and has developed a working vaccine. However, India depends on the U.S. for some of the ingredients, and the U.S. has stopped shipment mostly due to intellectual property concerns.
Tim Kerk. former Practitioner of Risk Management. (1993-2017)
Obviously, China has invested very heavily into developing and manufacturing vaccines. China has the technology, resources, and capability to do so.
John Tan Retired at IT and Systems Engineering
Good question. I think we all would like to know what is stopping them from using their massive vaccine manufacturing capacity.
Greed, you see it is much more profitable for the Indian manufacturers to sell it to the west than at home.
Plus a lot of the manufacturers are making it under license for companies that are based in the west.
Add that to the fact that the Indian government is the third biggest importer of arms in the world means that it has very little money left to pre-order the vaccines.
Well, that is one thig I have not read about, that India’s Vaccine manufacturing capacity has all been sold out.
Ruby Mei Le
India is not China. China is efficient while India is not.
Burtis Dockery B. S. Civil Engineering, Texas A&M University (1962)
Because China makes them for themselves. And, of course, some vaccine diplomacy.
Today morning over 5000 people returned back after queuing from 6:45–7:45 and then being told “Sorry Stock over. Come later” in Chennai.
The first time i went for Vaccination i thought that for the first time it looked like India might succeed in something they have boasted and bragged about. I thought the Vaccination drive would be a major success with no kinks.
As usual the Vaccination drive ended up being all talk.
The minute cases went up, BANG!! the Indian “Efficiency” revealed itself. Queues and Shortages and Crash of the Cowin app.
Shortages!!!!!!! Every major city scrambling around. Some guys giving Covaxin as second dose instead of Covishield.
Hospitals overcrowded, Oxygen at premium, People black marketing arthritis drugs at higher prices…
And yet right in the middle - you have the zero wit leaders and their Kumbh Mela
2213 Cases in just 72 hours and 350 of them priests!!! And their Akhara Head in MP. also dead.
Now.frankly i dont care if all of them die of Covid 19. Thats their choice.Problem is when they spread the infection.
So there you have it
* Rising Cases due to Election Rallies and Kumbh Mela
* Shortage of Vaccines due to empty boast of India being the largest vaccine manufacturer in the world
* People scrambling again for beds and medicines due to poor planning
Yet another Classic Indian Bungle
Every Nation rolling in laughter and mocking us, not because of our shortages but because of this
Meanwhile our Neighbor to the East smoothly continues vaccination, outproducing us now, exporting 10 times more than we do and yet keeping their mouths shut.
They are controlling things better and their trade and economy are booming.
People say i am paid by China but frankly such brutal efficiency and planning is something that doesnt require payment for. How can one not admire China? Machine like efficiency and Quiet strong decisive vaccination drives.
Sanjeev Prasad M
Readers, before you start coming to an opinion on Govt of India after reading this answer, please know that Bill Gates financed Serum Institute for supplying 10 crore COVID-19 vaccine doses for low and middle-income countries. And it is a moral obligation on India as a large nation to take care of its neighbours.
Serum Institute Of India Gets $150 Million More From Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation For Additional 10 Crore Vaccines
Why should Bill Gates finance SII????? Are we Burundi or Somalia??? You dont think we could have spent $150 Mn on the vaccine????
Where is the Taxpayers money? Where is the Special Money??? What is Vishwaguru doing???
【作者回复】为什么比尔 · 盖茨要资助印度血清研究所？？我们是布隆迪还是索马里？？？你认为我们做不到在疫苗上花费1.5亿美元吗？？？
纳税人的钱在哪里？特别款项在哪里？？维什瓦古鲁在做什么? ? ？
What happened to pm cares fund?
That is to take care of the PM. It is called PM Cares fund.
Hahaha they don't have a real time slot booking system where you can check the availability of vaccine at a particular place on a given date. I mean why are the people unnecessarily queuing up, when the hospitals don't even have vaccine. The government is unnecessarily risking lives of people amidst the rising cases.
I have no clue why people who are worried for the nation are called anti national and people who see their country sinking and keeping their mouth tightly shut are being called as nationalists
Most of the country is vaccinating their aged people first than younger ones. See USA, UK, middle east countries, they are doing the same. Even in Qatar, total population including foreign workers is 30 lakhs only. It is developed country, and they can buy as much as they can. Ideally, they can vaccinate each person in the country in 50 days maximum( both doses). They started from January end, but still 50% of country’s residents have not received a single dose. If it is not easy to manage vaccination for 30 lakh people, think how much its difficult to manage for 1.3 billion.
Don’t just blame the government. We as citizens also have failed to perform our duty
India got hyped up so much as China’s equal it eventually fell short of its own domestic goals. After all the talk of being the biggest vaccine producer, China has outproduced them and also vaccinated more of it people too. My guess is your leadership got complacent and just depended on the free PR from the West on being a vaccine superpower.
Real progress takes continued and intentional work not slogans or chest beating, something Indian politicians are yet to master
People say i am paid by CCP but frankly such brutal efficiency and planning is something that doesn't require payment for. How can one not admire China? Machine like efficiency and Quiet strong decisive vaccination drives.
We are our own biggest enemy . LOL
All things bad India…all things good China…good going Sir…
【回复】印度所有都是坏事... 中国所有都是好事... 干得好，先生...
You can't argue with quantifiable results.
China outperforms India on nearly all statistical indices. The obvious inference is that they're doing things much better than we are.
The BJP IT cell and the Hindutva crowd can continue to lie through their teeth, but the real, actual numbers never do.
Well, there is already a lot of negativity around here, so some positive things, which this fellow has forgotten or intentionally forgotten to mention:-
India is the fastest country in the world to administer 100 million doses of Covid-19 vaccine
I think it is an achievement in itself. I admit there are currently shortages in the vaccine, the cases are surging. But we must also keep this thing in mind that a milestone has been achieved. If this thing can be done, I am pretty much sure India will be one day successful in beating this virus.
Spread the positivity.
I don't think its any achievement . Every country plans according to its population and infection spread. You have to normalize.
US is administering 60 million vaccines per day while having 1/3 of our population. To be equal to them , we have to administer 180 million doses per day. Depends on the population size.
A better method is % of population vaccinated. ex: hypothetically we vaccinated 10% of population the fastest in the world.
Positivity is already spreading courtesy Covid.
God knows till then how many people might have died?
Stop spreading lies! But hey, good news is we are first right now. In Covid surge.
That is only 1st dose. If second dose is not administered within max 52 days, 1st dose efficacy wud become way down, and then technically, all those are not vaccinated.
I've never been the kind of person to bear ill will towards anyone, but I can't help it this time. I wish we should just not allow people from these melas and election rallies to be hospitalized. Let their respective god and their leaders heal them however they like. This also applies to the IPL folks.
1 year into the pandemic you can't honestly be so careless about something that's killed millions of people. And worse yet, you spread the disease to others. Meanwhile doctors are struggling to not get infected while treating 100s of Covid patients everyday.
India bungled due to the irresponsibility and carelessness of the people; no point in blaming any government. Finally it boils down the responsible behavior of the citizens of a country - there is only so much a government or law can stipulate and enforce. If people had worn masks the vaccination would have taken its course and to cover 1.3 billion people isn’t a joke. In the first place, why did the spike happen all of a sudden, while it was under control for such a long time?
People in countries like Korea, China or Singapore take responsibility seriously and adhere to the guidelines given by the government. Yes, the enforcement is strict, but finally people also comply.
In general, Indians don’t like to follow rules - be it queues, road behavior, usage of public property or now, practicing safe distancing & wearing masks. So, don’t be in a rush to show your frustration and ager at Modi or any other government when the establishment cannot serve 5000 people who queue up without scheduling their appointments (unlike in other countries). The right channel to vent this anger to, is the mirror sir.
I think Vaccine hesitancy is the main cause of vaccine shortage.if people showed their interest to get vaccinated as soon as possible then these private manufacturer or GoI would not have exported it. At the starting day of vaccination peogramme lots of people didn't show (ratti bhar) interest on it. Only forcefully all govt employees vaccinated. Suddenly cases rising now then vaccine shortage is obvious problem.every people wants to be vaccinated soon.And also due to some greedy people it is not available in affordable prices. I know govt didn't manage the situation properly but we are also responsible for this situation. Lots of people think that it's a propaganda. It would be propaganda but Aware people that it's a disease also which has serious consequences. Any disease can be more dangerous if you are afraid of it. So face it boldly and follow the every precautionery measures😊
Pradeep Kumar Yadav
Anyways you praise China for exporting vaccine and taunts India for also exporting vaccine, what am I missing here? And if you are taunting India about bragging then China is not far behind in doing that too.
Where is China bragging?
They keep very quiet in the global scene. Except in mouthpieces like GT.
India brags everywhere. Thats the sad problem
We can't blame government alone for this situation.
Everyone is to be blamed. People to administrator.
But what modi could have avoided is the unnecessary boosting of vaccine donation. That's humiliating and doesn't address the real problem.
My parents got vaccinated within 30 min just last week. Probably the issue might have been faced in some areas, but in Chennai the vaccine certainly does not seem to be in a major shortage
Last week was ok. Shortage was not yet creeping in
India felt itself to be a great batsmen, but destiny proved to be much great bowler.
Neighbourhood shops no masks, even my society some idiots ignore the messages. Looks like the fools and peoples ignorance will die faster than the rest.
Gotta hand it to China for their brutal efficiency in execution.
Indians have better iq than animals😂 by the way I am also an indian
In Uttar Pradesh rabies injection were given instead of vaccine.
Smriti Bhargava Kingsley
And while you all argue about history and China, you succeed in raising a smokescreen around the key issue which is the undeniable fact that the government has bungled yet again. And millions of Indians are suffering. My heart aches for my country.
It is Modi ( North Indian leader) responsibility that we are in this situation. If PM cannot stop people celebrating Holi, Pongal for one year why become PM then ? Anyways I don't see any good future coming out from this country due to bad North Indian leaderships. Due to north Indians, our South Indian people & their states good future is getting robbed off today
Lastly I want to say, soo many people keep attacking this person for being biased towards China. Let him be biased towards China. You know why ? Because Chinese govt fulfilled their responsibility of giving better & good future to Chinese future generations. Which undoubtedly they clearly achieved it
Oh yes and South has wonderful leaders right.
See get your facts right and also get used to this, Modi will remain PM for another term so better get adjusted to this
That's how poorly INDIA is performing 🤷🏻. No matter how much we try to boast about our country it's always disappointing 🤦🏻 and no matter how much we try to downgrade CHINA it's always coming out victorious 🙂.