CRRC Tangshan @PakrailPK #Signed a contract for 230 high-speed passenger trains, including 80 economic trains, 80 air-conditioned standard trains & 30 lounge-type trains.will run at 160km/h&uses at 1,676mm wide-gauge bogie. symbol of international friendly cooperation under BRI
I don't know about the types, will be updated soon after I found information about the types.
Probably CR-200J Fuxing Hao High Speed Train Series, like Laos Series (Kunming-Vientiane High Speed Train Network)
This is big news! I remember about 10 yrs back at my uni, a guest lecturer who happened to be an Ex-railways minister informed us that in Pakistan we are operating the most expensive and inefficient trains! They are ancient and are much more expensive to operate and maintain then newer ones which are faster, take less fuel and need less maintenance! Our trains were so old that we had to get parts made from international market on special order that would cost us 10 times more than a modern train! So were paying premium prices to operate jack shit British era trains!
Only if our governments had made timely investments into the railway it had not become this white elephant! Hopefully the financing of this project is on easy terms and Pakistan railways becomes lean, mean and green organisation! Great news indeed that we are replacing them all!
At least Pakistan is building all its rail coaches itself. In Bangladesh we used to import everything from India, including Rail coaches. I think our rail minister was permanently stationed in India, getting graft daily.
Nowadays we pretty much stopped importing rolling stock and locos from India as they are much more antiquated than say, Indonesian ones. Rail coaches and Public buses are all imported from Indonesia and local Rail coach manufacturing will start again in Saidpur (close to Bihar border and most workers are in fact transplanted Biharis).
PT Inka can build whatever specs you put in, but Bangladesh Railway uneducated gadhas are yet incapable of modernizing rail coach specs which dates from British empire. The world has moved way beyond this in the last seventy years, even for low speed rail coaches.
Very nice. Pak railways alone has potential more than the whole economies of many countries.
But some places where pak railways can improve: timings, booking, safety, and better treatment of rail staff.
But are there TRACKS READY FOR THIS??
Broad Gauge tracks in Pakistan are naturally suited for these high speed trains, as those tracks are built on solid dry ground AFAIK. I don't know if Chinese high speed trains use broad gauge track (probably standard gauge), but when CRRC builds these trains they can be built to Broad gauge for Pakistan. Sometimes trains can be re-gauged too. Bangladesh received meter gauge freight locomotives which they plan to re-gauge to broad gauge at some point.
One crucial point in relation to your query is that high speed trains make frequent track maintenance a must, unlike slow freight trains which can run on wavy poorly maintained track.
High speed trains typically need heavy duty track installed on solid cement substrate, no ties or ballast are used.
Track geometry is also important i.e. super elevated track around wider bends.
I am seeing a lot of comments that refer to freight trains, which is a completely different animal.
This is a high speed Passenger train. The US does not have high speed trains. They have some medium speed trains (maybe 120~150 MPH around the East Coast) but most US passenger trains are slow and do not exceed 100 MPH.
Thanks mate - very well explained.
There is still no info, but from Pakistani side they said this Train will goes to 160km/h.
Maybe there will be some Upgradation of Railway Network in Pakistan under BRI (Belt & Road Initiative) Projects
Last time i read was it was 180 to 220 km/h if i am not mistaken.
That would be good news
BRO THIS IS MAJOR NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any further details? This seems too good to be true (I hope it is true)? The cost is surely something phenomenally high.
I have seen these trains in China, dude if we get this in Pakistan, it is total game changer for us.
I hope we get trained and repair everything here. Else, it will be a white elephant like metro bus
Freight rapidly ship goods from Gwadar port to Xinjiang region. Offering inland Xinjiang goods an opportunity to ship rapidly to rest of the world.
After the Laos HSR and Vietnam Metro success. It is starting to see an ripple effect. Next mega project to unveil will be complete of Jakarta - Bandung HSR.
ML-1 upgrade and a rail link to Xinjiang should be focused first and foremost on freight transport, to help recoup the investment and minimize the burden on the Pakistani taxpayers. A rail route like this would revolutionize freight transport to Central Asia and allow Chinese investors to set up factories in Western China know long they will get raw materials from Africa at an affordable price via this route.
160 km/h is not high speed.
I believe that the most important part of 'high speed' is the track, not the trains.
I want to reach Karachi from Lahore in less than 5 hours.
Is this too much to ask?
Karachi to Lahore distance is almost the same with Beijing-Shanghai distance.
They use CR-400AF/BF Fuxing Hao HSR Series for that network with Daily Operating Speed of 350Km/h. If you taking non-stop train it will be 3 hours 58 minutes, with stop it's 4 hours 18 minutes
Facing the Future, if you want using Maglev Train it will be less than 2 hours
Unfortunately the similarities between both countries largest cities end there.
Is there enough civil air traffic between Lahore and Karachi that would make a passenger rail line profitable?
It will become reality soon Inshallah
So we promise to buy Chinese rolling stock to finally begin work on ML-1?
So a 40ft container from Karachi to Lahore costs 140K PkR to sender, if the railways were working this cost would have been way cheaper. Successive governments deliberately or unknowingly killed a great way of logistics and passenger trains. And this has only contributed negatively to overall country, we have more pollution, more vehicles on roads, we need more maintenance fund for repair, cost of goods has increased and there are more frequent traffic jams. It would be good if we get our railways in a better shape.
Driving at night in Karachi his hell with hundreds of giant overloaded trucks trying to murder you. Highways (esp N5) are very crowded because of large numbers of slow and overloaded trucks, some of which tip over or drop all their stuff. All of this could be fixed if we had a decent railway system.
You are actually wrong here. Our tracks and system cant accomodate it more than its already doing. What is criminal is that successive govt didnt upgrade 70 year old track. Now max speed is restricted to 50km any more. Until new track are laid no train can operate more than 50 kph. Also train management system is so old that more trains cant be added without risking collision.
I am not sure but business class train's speed is more than 50km. Though i agree with you that current tracks need an overhaul.
In general, it is encouraging news for Pakistan's travel/tourism/goods transport industry.
I truly hope it will be electric.
I hope it's from Karachi to skurdu. It will be a massive boost for tourism
There is a huge potential of trade as well.
It will be green skin CR200J for 160km/h. The real 350km/h HSR have stringent requirement on the curve radius and vertical gradient.
NYTCNNBBCWPJ: First class infrastructure for Pakistan, BUT AT WHAT COST!
Congrats. Considering the large volume of orders, will these be manufactured in Pakistan? What is the cost per train?
This is supposed to be 160 range and they're changing the tracks
ML-1 completion by 2020 or even by now would had been true game changer. It would be providing faster, safer, and economical transportation of passengers and freight and would have created thousands of jobs and huge economic activity. Originally planned $9 billion would have been a rightly invested sum.
Billions were invested on highways but ML-1 should had been first priority along with energy, and building only critical highways first.
Probably $45-50 billion spended on CPEC as yet. ML-1 the rail line, control network, plus related bridges, underpasses should have been built under CPEC projects.
Brand new Train cars and engine procurement is not absolute for railways to function. Carriage factory can be upgraded to make better coaches and locomotives can be bought to be assembled locally even 2nd hand locomotives could be bought.
9 billion$ is a massive undertaking even for chinese. It will be done but will take time. Lets see what happens.
Once ML-1 is rebuild and Karachi and Gwadar are at capacity, then we should definitely build up other ports along the coast. But until the. We should maximize what we already have to make the projects already started self-sustaining.
Pakistan should start now, seeking investors to modernize the stations and build large commercial area (or at least links to metro systems to connect with commercial areas) and multi-modal accommodations to house a bus terminal, taxi services, and tourism centers to generate enough revenue to fund the rail construction. Hotels and apartments complexes nearby could also be attractive to overseas Pakistanis and as well as local and foreign tourists that want to visit a city and stay near a public area like a major train station.
For example, IMHO, Islamabad needs a major train station (a multi-modal one that can accommodate long range and commuter buses) of its own, one that is close to the metro bus system that will link travelers to the airport seamlessly (without having to need to move around town in a taxi and be stuck in traffic)
That is why, in order to minimize displacing as many people from their homes as possible, IMHO, military should hand over the “Central Mechanical Transport and Stores Depot” and turn that into the National Railroad station. A good part of the properties north of Quad-e-Azam International Hospital may need to be taken by Eminent domain (with owners properly compensated), but it will allow a station that can accommodate enough tracks considering the population will probably double in a generation or two (20-30 years) so best to plan for it now. Such a station could also allow commuter trains to run into Rawalpindi, allow new tracks to be laid outside of Islamabad and high speed trains to bypass Rawalpindi to keep speeds as high as possible. On new straight tracks, which would also benefit freight services.
A design like the Tianjin West Rail Station would be a good one for Pakistan to Adopt, but modified to look like Lahore Fort’s Naulakha Pavilion.
Tianjin West station has good links with the Metro and seems like a design that can accommodate a lot of passengers and services.
160 KMPH if sustained would shorten journey times in Pakistan by more than half, especially if tracks can be grade separated and tracks fenced off from people or animals crossing it, so the train doesn’t need to slow down for these obstacles. 160 kmph is also the limit of one quality of tracks, and to go faster costs a lot more for the tracks, which is why 160 kmph is chosen by many commuter rail systems and “higher speed” rail as in the US.
Great deal. Fits perfectly in with the upgrade of Pakistans railway track.
Pakistan-China cooperation has not even touched 1% of its full potential. Pakistan is the most pro-china nation today in the world. There are so many opportunities for Chinese investors to make ALOT OF $$$. Id personally love to see a Bullet Train Project from Islamabad- Karachi and running through major population center ie Rawalpindi, lahore, multan, hyderabad. This alone would give access to 100+ Million people to a bullet train many of which would be willing to pay top price to travel on such a platform. It would possibly be the best bang for the buck infrastructure project in Pakistans history and would pay for itself within 7-10 years.
I am surprised why work/research into this isnt being done.
China should also relocate all of its manufactering from India to Pakistan.
I am not too sure if it's a good investment...
Not worth it imo
Well how else are you going to move people around safely? Not everyone can afford air travel...
Bangladesh air travel legs are very short, half hour flight to Chittagong and Sylhet mostly served by jets, yet these destinations have several trains leaving everyday, some of them are faster express trains too. Those options for middle class people need to be there.
Indians are already planning a bullet train from Mumbai to Ahmedabad, and given everything goes right, it may replace air travel in less than two years. Eventually bullet train will go past Ahmedabad to Delhi. They still might eff it up, but at least they're trying.
I quite admire how cheap and efficient Indian rail travel is, despite the filthy tracks. You can travel in India very cheaply by rail at all different price levels (they have special trains for poor people called Gareeb Rath). That is something to emulate in Pakistan and Bangladesh (minus the filthy tracks and stations).
Realities of Pak are not that of other South Asian countries because of population density
That's why we already have highways and busses for passengers while we should build freights trains for economy
Other South Asian and even east Asian countries absolutely needed a great passenger train system- y'all in India, Bangladesh should absolutely have a great passenger train system as in your case- that's fiscally responsible
But for us, it shouldn't be the top most priority- making it is fiscally irresponsible behavior - maybe if we had 7-15k per Capita income
We can have that luxury but not now, passenger trains should be decent not relics
But more importance was needed on freight trains- passengers can be handled by highways, buses, cars etc
but I think it will cut long distance short, tcs delivery etc goods delivery will be faster with cheaper rates.