[2022-03-24]Reddit评论区：普京要求不友好国家用卢布支付天然气费用，卢布币值飙升

概要：

俄罗斯总统弗拉基米尔·普京23日宣布，俄方向欧洲联盟成员国等“不友好”国家和地区供应天然气时将改用卢布结算。此举触发欧洲地区能源危机可能加剧的担忧，欧洲天然气价格应声上涨。
普京23日与俄罗斯政府成员举行视频会议时说，一些西方国家过去几周做出冻结俄罗斯资产的非法决定，俄方向欧盟成员国、美国供应商品时再用美元、欧元等货币结算已经毫无意义。俄方将在最短时间内实施综合措施，首先是向对俄“不友好”国家和地区供应天然气时改用卢布结算。
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sickof50
The last 2 guys who refused to take the Petro-Dollar where Saddam Hussain & Muammar Gaddafi, but they were small potatoes, according to the West (dead men tell no tales).

上两个拒绝接受石油美元的家伙，萨达姆·侯赛因和穆阿迈尔·卡扎菲，但他们是小人物，根据西方的说法(死人不会讲故事)。

MisterTutsikikoyama -> sickof50
neither possessed nuclear weapons

两个国家都没有核武器

oio0oio
Which countries are unfriendly?

哪些国家是不友好的？

wallfacer0 -> oio0oio
InTERnaTioNal ComMUinTy.jpeg

“国际社会.jpeg”

SonOfTheDragon101 -> oio0oio
Presumably all the countries that have sanctions on Russia. This would be the US, Canada, nearly all of Europe (except Serbia, Belarus, and maybe other holdouts), Japan, South Korea, Australia, Taiwan province, etc.

大概是所有对俄罗斯实施制裁的国家。美国、加拿大、几乎所有的欧洲国家(除了塞尔维亚、白俄罗斯，或许还有其他的抵制者)、日本、韩国、澳大利亚、台湾省等等。

DreamyLucid -> SonOfTheDragon101
Left out Singapore

遗漏了新加坡

yuewanggoujian -> DreamyLucid
I personally was pretty surprised by Singapore when it happened.

这件事发生时，我个人对新加坡感到非常惊讶。

manred2026 -> oio0oio
The one that sanction russia, so pretty much US, most of EU and US vassal.

制裁俄罗斯的国家，美国，欧盟和美国的大部分附庸国。

folatt -> manred2026
You said US vassal twice.

关于美国的附庸国你提两次了。

Fodedor_de_Rabos
Behold, the gasruble!

看哪，燃气卢布！

sauce424242
This is the way. US gangster financial tyranny must end

就是这样。美国黑帮金融暴政必须结束

SonOfTheDragon101
I hope every member of the CPC is busy taking notes and studying every move while the Grandmaster (GM) of Geopolitics show the world how the game is played.

我希望中国共产党的每一位成员都在忙着记笔记和研究每一步行动，而这位地缘政治大师则在向世界展示这场游戏是如何玩的。

set-271
Well, this should get interesting. The more the U.S. sanctions Russia, the more the U.S. and the rest of the world suffers as Russia has plenty of oil and agriculture goods to trade.
Let's see how this all plays out. And pray for peace.

这下有意思了。美国对俄罗斯的制裁越多，美国和世界其他国家受到的影响就越大，因为俄罗斯有大量的石油和农产品可供贸易。
让我们看看这一切会如何发展，然后祈祷和平。

AcanthocephalaNo4620
Apparently Russia + Kazakhstan + Belarus + Ukraine account for about half of many agricultural commodities to Europe. In fact, Macron is already talking about food shortages in france.
At this rate EU people are going to freeze and starve to death with 4 million more ukrainian refugee mouths to feed
OMG we just might get another French Revolution - "Let them eat cake / Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" and all that

显然，俄罗斯 + 哈萨克斯坦 + 白俄罗斯 + 乌克兰占欧洲许多农产品的一半左右。事实上，马克龙已经在谈论法国的食品短缺问题。
按照这种速度，欧盟人民将会冻死和饿死，还有400多万乌克兰难民要养活
天哪，我们可能又要经历一场法国大革命了——“别人的事我可管不了”之类的

SonOfTheDragon101 -> AcanthocephalaNo4620
They won't freeze because it's now Spring in the northern hemisphere. But food prices will go up. And it's actually countries like Egypt and other North African / Middle Eastern countries who are most vulnerable to soaring wheat price. Europe will feel pain nevertheless. There are still many months until the next winter cycle. Who know where we are at by then.

他们不会挨冻，因为现在是北半球的春天。但是食品价格将会上涨。实际上，像埃及和其他北非/中东国家这样的国家最容易受到小麦价格飙升的冲击。尽管如此，欧洲还是会感到痛苦。离下一个冬季周期还有好几个月。到那时候谁能知道情况会如何。

lestnot -> AcanthocephalaNo4620
The US is leading the EU off a cliff. Bon voyage!

美国正带领欧盟走下悬崖。一路顺风！

RespublicaCuriae -> lestnot
The US is leading the EU off a cliff.
This is the reality that most people in the west would want to deny strongly.

这是大多数西方人想要强烈否认的现实。

FatDalek -> AcanthocephalaNo4620
I was planning an European holiday in May / June. Baltics, catching up with a friend in Finland and then touring Sweden, maybe Iceland for natural scenery afterwards. How likely am I going to be affected?

我正在计划五、六月份去欧洲度假。波罗的海国家，在芬兰和一个朋友聚会，然后游览瑞典，之后或许会去冰岛欣赏自然风光。我有多大可能会受到影响？

yOw_indahOuse -> FatDalek
You might have a cheaper holiday at this rate.. and bring some food and gasoline, we’re fu**ed over here (jk about the food part, but in Spain strikes have made it impossible for me to get some products the last week or so).

照这样下去，你可能会有一个更便宜的假期... 带上一些食物和汽油，我们这里已经完蛋了(关于食物的部分我是开玩笑的，但是在西班牙，罢工让我过去一周左右无法买到一些产品)。

SonOfTheDragon101 -> yOw_indahOuse
I am wondering about the impact on Europe in the coming months. Inflation is doubtlessly going to surge. People who were already living precariously are going to get hammered. There is a possibility that high inflation, even stagflation, would destabilise European countries where politics were already toxic and polarising (France, UK, etc.). Western sanctions will likewise bring hardship to Russia's population. But there is a difference. People from countries like Russia, China, India, and any developing country have much higher threshold for financial pain. They're either used to it, and/or have lived in poverty until recently, so they know how to get by with less, and they are also far more likely to be stoic about it than to complain about their governments. This is not the case with Western countries.

我想知道未来几个月对欧洲的影响。毫无疑问，通货膨胀无疑将激增。那些已经过着不稳定生活的人们，将会受到打击。高通胀，甚至滞胀，都有可能破坏欧洲国家的稳定，因为这些国家的政治已经有毒且分化了(法国、英国等)。西方的制裁同样会给俄罗斯人民带来困难。但这是有区别的。来自俄罗斯、中国、印度和任何发展中国家的人们对金融痛苦的门槛要高得多。他们要么已经习惯了，要么直到最近还生活在贫困之中，所以他们知道如何用更少的钱生活，而且他们也更有可能对此保持坚忍，而不是抱怨他们的政府。但西方国家并非如此。

FatDalek -> yOw_indahOuse
Well I am from Australia, so bringing food might not be practical, especially when I am on an overseas holiday, I make it a thing to try local cuisine.

嗯，我来自澳大利亚，所以带食物可能不太实际，特别是当我在国外度假时，我会尝试当地的美食。

DaBIGmeow888 -> AcanthocephalaNo4620
EU Freeze? It's spring now. Russia likely didn't anticipate using gas/oil to retailiate, or else it would invaded earlier in December.

欧盟挨冻？现在是春天了。俄罗斯很可能没有预料到会使用天然气/石油来报复，否则它会在12月早些时候入侵。

AcanthocephalaNo4620 -> DaBIGmeow888
Ah, my mistake.

啊，我的错。

Qanonjailbait
Checking out the chart at the bottom of the article and seem to have left out one major European country that gets it gas from Russia. Germany 🇩🇪 wonder why they forgot about the Germans’ demand for gas and the % of import of total imported gas

看看文章末尾的图表，似乎遗漏了一个从俄罗斯获得天然气的主要欧洲国家。德国🇩🇪，想知道为什么他们忘记了德国对天然气的需求和进口天然气总量的百分比

ghostonvacay
imagine being part of the us department of the treasury and having you and all of yours first lines of thought be "how quickly can we freeze these fx reserves russia has left in our custody?" rather than "why does russia have these fx reserves in accounts that we can freeze?"

想象一下，作为美国财政部的一员，你和你所有的同事的第一想法就是“俄罗斯的外汇储备多快能冻结起来？”而不是“为什么俄罗斯有这些我们可以冻结的外汇储备账户？”

ButtigiegMineralMap
Tbh that’s a pretty smart way to sell

老实说，这是一个相当聪明的销售方式

skyanvil
I would wait for all the Euro banks to deposit their gold in Russian banks, and then "nationalize" all the gold as payments for all the Russian assets seized by the West.
Double F them.

我会等待所有的欧元区银行将他们的黄金存入俄罗斯的银行，然后将所有的黄金“国有化”，以支付所有被西方国家没收的俄罗斯资产。
对他们的双重打击。

SonOfTheDragon101 -> skyanvil
I think there was already a bit of that. The Ruble fell as low as 140 Rubles to $1 as people dumped the Ruble for USD and Euros. That should mean Russia's Central Banks collected the Rubles. Now, the exchange rate has gone back to less than 100 Rubles to $1. Russia's government has made money.

我觉得已经有一点这迹象了。由于人们抛售卢布，买入美元和欧元，卢布一度跌至1美元兑140卢布。这应该意味着俄罗斯央行收集了卢布。现在，汇率回到了不到100卢布兑1美元的水平。俄罗斯政府已经赚到了钱。

aleksusy -> SonOfTheDragon101
That’s a really great point!!

这是一个非常好的观点！